If there is one person who has seen Scrum and Agile grow in Asia, it is Pete Deemer. He has been involved in Yahoo’s large scale adoption of Scrum in SunnyVale, CA as well as its state of the art development center in Bangalore. More than 800 people were transitioned to Scrum. He also co-write the Scrum Primer. After Yahoo, Pete founded his own firm, GoodSafe, LLC and through GoodAgile, conducts regular trainings and coachings in India and Asia. Pete, is only one of the very few Certified Scrum Trainers and is a leading thought leader in Agile and Scrum Community. In this interview, Pete Deemer, shares his experiences in implementing Scrum and Scrum in India as well as outsourcing environment.

agilecollab : GoodAgile recently conducted Scrum Unconference in Hyderabad. What was the motivation for the same?

Pete Deemer : Over the last year, we have seen rapid growth of Scrum in India and invariably people have asked me during CSM classes and otherwise, on why there are few oppotunities to meet, learn and network. At GoodAgile, we felt like the time had come to start doing Scrum-specific events where people could meet in person, hone their skills, and have a fun time. We also wanted something that we could pull off quickly and without lengthy upfront planning and also have a model that we could replicate in different cities around India.  So we thought the Bar-Camp style UnConference was the right approach. We got a group of people together, and in real-time we created a full day of talks, exercises, and other fun activities.  But best of all, the format was based on the self-organization and self-management that’s so central to Scrum, so it felt “Right”.

agilecollab : How was the experiences?

Pete Deemer : It was great — we had about 60 people from lots of different companies in Hyderabad coming together, sharing experiences, and learning from each other. Scrum can be very challenging especially if you do not have people to network in your own organization, and it’s great to be able to get advice and learn from other people who’ve been through the same challenges and succeeded.  The main thing I carried back was something I’m constantly reminded of, and why I like being in the IT industry — software people, even though thought of as “geeks” by the rest of the world, are some of the most interesting, creative, and thoughtful people you could ever meet!

agilecollab : Tell us about your implementation of Scrum in Yahoo? What metrics did you guys track to know that Scrum was successful?

Pete Deemer : We did gather metrics, but for most teams, we didn’t need the metrics to tell us Scrum was making a significant difference — the results in business value and team morale were pretty apparent to all.

agilecollab : Based on the above, what is your advice to companies transitioning to Agile?

Pete Deemer : If it’s worth doing, it’s worth doing properly — get the best training and coaching you can find, and make sure the entire organization understands and can support the team’s efforts. 

agilecollab : At what stage do you think is Scrum awareness and implementation in India?

Pete Deemer : Over the last year or so, there’s no question it’s entered the stage of rapid growth. Almost all the best-known IT firms in India have teams using Scrum now. There are lots of people in many companies in India, who are holding on to the values of Scrum, working to implement Scrum properly and trying to improve the way their businesses are run. There are many conferences and events being held as well. We would like to support such people. The challenge now is helping people be as successful as possible within the specific context of India, and helping grow the expertise. Having unconferences and speaking at other Agile and IT events is an effort in this regard. We have also started the Scrum-India Yahoo Group, which is again another opportunity for people to share and learn from fellow Scrum users.  I also appreciate the effort that www.agilecollab.com is making - this is coming up great and explains concepts to beginners in a simple fashion.

agilecollab : Do you think it makes sense for outsourcing/ service companies to use Scrum?

Pete Deemer : Absolutely.  If speed, quality, and “getting it right for the customer” are your part of the value you offer customers, you should definitely consider Scrum. This is not always going to be easy. However, the results can be dramatic, and a lot of teams say “I wish we’d discovered this sooner!”

agilecollab : What are the benefits for customers in choosing a company which does Scrum or true Agile rather than one which does not?

Pete Deemer : Some of the biggest benefits of Scrum for the customer are visibility into what’s being produced, and “is it right” — and the ability to rapidly iterate, without lapsing into chaos or thrashing. It in a way also helps you focus and participate. Scrum does require a more involved approach from the customer side, but only for their own benefit. One risk for the customers is that there are a lot of companies who claim to be doing “Agile”, but are in fact just using it as a marketing label — so I’d recommend choosing carefully.

agilecollab : You conduct lots of trainings and CSM classes in Bangalore and Hyderabad but comparatively lesser in NCR or North. Why do you think north India lags behind in Scrum awareness?

Pete Deemer : I’m not sure why this is — especially since there are leading Agile companies and also others who are exploring Agile, in the Delhi area and from what I hear, in Chandigarh too. I think we’ll see more and more growth in the north in the coming year.

agilecollab : Finally, what are goodagile plans for new year?

Pete Deemer : The plans for the coming year are many. I am traveling all across India and Asia, helping people learn about Scrum. We hope to continue to spread the Agile and Scrum message, and help companies succeed with it!

agilecollab.com, wishes Pete all the best for this year and always.

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